Curse

Kanyatta · Aug 05, 2008, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

Thanks for stating my point. I'm pretty sure people have been adjusting thier builds all over every form of pvp (except gvg where coordination can beat it). Nerf expertise.

RA, HA, TA... I haven't seen anything get touched just to deal with the Melee Rangers.

traiss7 · Aug 05, 2008, 08:47 AM // 08:47

i dont think expertise needs a nerf. i love it the way it is

Tyla · Aug 05, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

RA, HA, TA... I haven't seen anything get touched just to deal with the Melee Rangers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't RaO previously get nerfed because of abuse of melee weapons, or was it because it spawned numerous overpowered gimmicks?

I'm not sure if it was nerfed and I know it's inherantly broken in itself, but I do recall it previously getting nerfed because it had both Frenzy and Rush integrated while keeping a stance open with the only downside being the huge cost.

Kanyatta · Aug 06, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't RaO previously get nerfed because of abuse of melee weapons, or was it because it spawned numerous overpowered gimmicks?

I'm not sure if it was nerfed and I know it's inherantly broken in itself, but I do recall it previously getting nerfed because it had both Frenzy and Rush integrated while keeping a stance open with the only downside being the huge cost.

Yeah, but that was a skill, not an attribute. It was raised to 25 energy because Expertise isn't good enough to give it basically no downside. Now you almost have to drain all of your energy to use it.

I'll let the bolded text sink in for a little bit while this thread gets /closed.

Tyla · Aug 06, 2008, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Yeah, but that was a skill, not an attribute. It was raised to 25 energy because Expertise isn't good enough to give it basically no downside. Now you almost have to drain all of your energy to use it.

I'll let the bolded text sink in for a little bit while this thread gets /closed.

Your post didn't imply only the attribute, Expertise.

And the skill was still changed due to a thing to do with Rangers abusing secondaries. Oh, and you can still use this with practically no downsides.

I'm not bothered about Expertise anymore, but taking Escape out of the scene and making Hammer Bash only work at 5 Strength would get rid of these. That or nerfing RaO further.

By the way, I really do doubt this'll get closed because of the time it's been open, but this thread could have remained dead.

Kaida the Heartless · Aug 06, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56

They made it so you have to drain all of your energy to use it on purpose. That was the whole point of raising it's cost. Before, you could use it with nearly NO cost because Expertise was working TOO good (and it still is).

Axagoth Baal · Aug 06, 2008, 02:24 PM // 14:24

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Your post didn't imply only the attribute, Expertise.

And the skill was still changed due to a thing to do with Rangers abusing secondaries. Oh, and you can still use this with practically no downsides.

I'm not bothered about Expertise anymore, but taking Escape out of the scene and making Hammer Bash only work at 5 Strength would get rid of these. That or nerfing RaO further.

By the way, I really do doubt this'll get closed because of the time it's been open, but this thread could have remained dead.

I agree on making hammer bash only work at 5 strength. Maybe some of scythe attacks should follow this, like 5 in mysticism... I'd rather see dervish skills get more linked to dervishes than nerf Escape for all of rangers.

IrisLee · Aug 06, 2008, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Rangers have been versitle since day one, they were created versitile thats the whole point.

gg.

This basically says everything, if people are going to start QQ'ing about rangers being versatile then i don't know what else to say, what do you want?

If Rangers weren't versatile then it'd kinda take out the point of being one, they're supposed to be a class of survival, wilderness and all that RPG junk, take out the versatility it's just another ranged class like any other "Mmorpuger".

Kanyatta · Aug 06, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Oh, and you can still use this with practically no downsides.

RAO is virtually -3 energy regen for 15 seconds. Check out the table here http://www.wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Rao .

With 13 expertise and 14 beast mastery, it's still running at ~0.86 Energy per second, and Rangers have a 1 Energy per second regen.